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I am not surprised by the negative comments that have been hurled at Jonathan Safran Foer's appearance on your show, Ellen. The exploitation of animals has long been a part of human existence; however, we are in a position, technologically, where we can show some compassion to the other sentient beings that share the Earth with us. Sure, everyone has free will and can make their own decisions, but there has to come a time when intelligent, rational decisions are made. The fervor with which meat eaters justify their positions is unnecessary and, frankly, demoralizing. I thought that the developed people of the world (specifically Americans) would have already started the transition to veganism by now, given the information available to them. Climate change, disease, global hunger, water shortages, and an overall lack of empathy and compassion are all major byproducts of animal exploitation. WE NO LONGER HAVE TO RELY ON ANIMALS FOR SURVIVAL! We are in a position to make this a better world for all its living inhabitants. No matter what your religiious, moral, political, or philisophical views it is not hard to admit to yourself that suffering of any kind is wrong. Using animals for food, research, clothing, and entertainment is not a right we have obtained from our existence on this planet. It is a misguided source of power that is causing more damage than anyone can possibly fathom. Don't reject Jonathan's arguments, or any animal rights arguments, until you have fully researched the topics. If you pursue the truth about animal exploitation with an open heart and a clear mind you will see that what humans are doing is wrong. Plain and simple.
Shocking that your website still headlines his appearance as "Facts". Don't you read your audience's comments?
I must say that I was really dissapointed with your segement with Jonathan Safran Foer. I agree that we all have the right to chose our own diet. If you don't want to eat meat, that is fine with me. My problem with your segement was that Jonathan didn't present facts. He fell into the emotion trap. Instead of persuading with the real facts, he played on the emotions of the audience. If all those things he said were true, there would be not animal production left if the US. Farmers simply can't afford to not take care of their animals.
Sure, I agree there have been documented cases of animal abuse. However saying that every farmer abuses animals is like saying that just because there is still child abuse occuring in the US that all parents are guilty of abusing their children. This simply isn't true!!
In regards to not being allowed to visit a farm, how did he ask? He seemed like he was pretty hostile on the show. No one is going to invite a hostile person on to their farm. To the farmer, his farm is like your house. You wouldn't want to invite the papparrizzi into your house because you don't want to deal with the endless articles about how everything about your life is wrong. Same goes for the farmer!!
Next time, Ellen please make sure your guests have all the facts!
In closing, I would like to say regardless of your diet...IF YOU ENJOYED A MEAL TODAY, THANK A FARMER!!!
What on Earth is wrong with people who are screaming that because someone expressed views that do not align with their own, they are "forcing" them?? Get a grip.
Jonathan stated his stance, as well as shared his knowledge, and truths about animal agriculture. It seems that the people who are most upset are likely just unable to face the truth and how meat is the product of cruelty and suffering, and animal agriculture is devastaing our planet as it is polluting our water, soil and air, as well as causing serious health problems in humans. Heart disease is the number one killer in the US, and meat, dairy and egg consumption are major factors in causing heart disease.
No one is "forcing" anyone. You are simply being informed. You can choose to do whatever you like. People with genuine compassion in their hearts and empathy for others will be the people most likely to make changes and more compassionate choices. They never waste time screaming that someone is "forcing" them to do something that already feels right in their hearts.
Thank you Ellen and Thank you Jonathan. I am sure that there have been more eyes, minds and hearts opened after watching this show. I'm also sure that people who read "Eating Animals" will be certain to make changes---and no one will have had to "force" them to do so.
My husband and I were watching your show on Nov. 4th and were very upset by what the author was saying. Both of us were raised on farms, his father at the age of 90 still lives on the farm but he know has someone else farm the land. We live in a area that is large agricultural area farming, and raising livestock is a common practice. As more and more regulations are put onto small farmers they have no choice but to sell the family property because they can no longer make it work. We have Chicken Farms, Turkey Farms, Pig Farms and Cattle Farms. Most of the Cattle are allowed to go outside and graze this goes for both Beef and Milk. As for turkeys if you wish to go into the woods and hunt your own you only need to go to Southern part of Ohio where it is common. Many of our chickens are being raised cage free, receive only organic feed and they do the scratching as they need. If your author says animals are not allowed to have sex how do we keep having new chicks, new turkeys and baby pigs and baby cows.
It is a shame to me when I see people wanting to treat animals better than our kids are being treated. How many thousands are being abused, not getting enough food to eat and are living in poverty? So if your author wants to see farms come to Ohio we have lots of farms and farmland
This is the first time I have ever seenfactory farming and envirnomental stress covered in main stream media, thank you. Be proud! **Ellen, I am 8 months pregnant and there are 2 very important points I and my husband will address with my son one day - and I really feel they need to be addressed when suggesting people look into vegetarian and vegan eating. #1) It is so easy to be discouraged. if you read about factory farming, inevitably you will also find that ALMOST EVERYTHING you own is produced in a way that hurts people and the environment. You can't do everything! Draw your own lines. If Americans and Canadians even ate half the meat and dairy in a week they usually do, serious pressure would be taken off the environment, and their waist-lines would probably benefit too! And like any new diet, depriving yourself from what you love is bound to end in failure. do what you can, not what you think you have to do. #2) I have read way too many times that being vegan or vegetarian is EXPENSIVE. We are a 2 person low - income family on one salary with a child on the way. Since I began living with my husband 3 years ago, we have maintained a vegan household. it costs us CDN$150 a week in groceries. Fresh veggies and fruit are CHEAP so are grains and tofu. Then we splurge on soy milk, multi vitamins and recycled toilet paper:) Also, there is a balance.It is not about replacing everything you eat with the processed soy equivilant. Soy cheese, burgers, hot dogs etc.. are great once in awhile but its a lifestyle change. Be well informed, expand your eating to include many ethnic foods. You cannot just simply eliminate what you used to eat from your plate. I did at 15 by 18 I was severely anemic(iron deficient). It is about re-configuring your meals completely! you will think about what you put in your mouth more than you ever have if you do choose to be vegetarian. **Also really cool - a book written by a National Geographic journalist called the Blue Zones - about the world's hot-spots where people live to be over 100 the most...interestingly he finds most eat low amounts of meat and what they do it is grown nearby. If you need any good christmas recipes - look us up! Tammy & Mitch Sellar
This is the first time I have ever seenfactory farming and envirnomental stress covered in main stream media, thank you. Be proud!
**Ellen, I am 8 months pregnant and there are 2 very important points I and my husband will address with my son one day - and I really feel they need to be addressed when suggesting people look into vegetarian and vegan eating.
#1) It is so easy to be discouraged. if you read about factory farming, inevitably you will also find that ALMOST EVERYTHING you own is produced in a way that hurts people and the environment.
You can't do everything! Draw your own lines. If Americans and Canadians even ate half the meat and dairy in a week they usually do, serious pressure would be taken off the environment, and their waist-lines would probably benefit too!
And like any new diet, depriving yourself from what you love is bound to end in failure. do what you can, not what you think you have to do.
#2) I have read way too many times that being vegan or vegetarian is EXPENSIVE. We are a 2 person low - income family on one salary with a child on the way. Since I began living with my husband 3 years ago, we have maintained a vegan household. it costs us CDN$150 a week in groceries. Fresh veggies and fruit are CHEAP so are grains and tofu. Then we splurge on soy milk, multi vitamins and recycled toilet paper:)
Also, there is a balance.It is not about replacing everything you eat with the processed soy equivilant. Soy cheese, burgers, hot dogs etc.. are great once in awhile but its a lifestyle change. Be well informed, expand your eating to include many ethnic foods.
You cannot just simply eliminate what you used to eat from your plate. I did at 15 by 18 I was severely anemic(iron deficient). It is about re-configuring your meals completely! you will think about what you put in your mouth more than you ever have if you do choose to be vegetarian.
**Also really cool - a book written by a National Geographic journalist called the Blue Zones - about the world's hot-spots where people live to be over 100 the most...interestingly he finds most eat low amounts of meat and what they do it is grown nearby.
If you need any good christmas recipes - look us up!
Tammy & Mitch Sellar
I live 125 miles south of Chicago. If you want to see farming at its best come to Iroquois county Illinois. There are many family farms that are ran by hard wording farmers and their wives. Everything from beef cattle to dairy farms,sheep farms, egg farms, pig farms and many grains grow here as well. Within a 30 mile stretch there are 2 meat lockers. If you want to see free range chickens, there are many contry roads in the county where a person has to stop to let the chickens cross the road. The guy Ellen had on, has never been outside a city in his life and does not deserve to talk about anything !
Ellen!
I said self! Yes I replied to myself! We are not eating any fast food NO MORE! Even if its just a dollar for your fave burger from the King...Burger King (WHOPPER!...heavy onion please!)
I have not eaten fast food for 2 years now. I used to because it was fast and cheap. ...sorta because I found out that 3 and 1 and 1 are cheap by themselves but add it up and then add the tax and your at 6.50/7.00 for a meal of FAT. Then after watching Supersize Me. ... I just gave it up.
Now I make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and peeled carrots, a whole apple or an orange and some water for lunch everyday. I figure it comes to around 10 dollars a week or less just packing my lunch.
I feel better too!
I'm not there yet....but I do know where to get my protein. Beans are good sources!
I'm bad in that I still eat eggs but after hearing about what cage free really means.... I'm taking a look and thinking we should all just stop eating animals so that they can be ANIMALS!/FREE. Just like we should all just trash our gas/oil cars and drive electric and use man made oil..not the real stuff(i'm tired..whatchacalls it) I have amsoil in my car. Don't want to be a hypacrit but if we didn't make animals available to eat and cars that weren't good for the environment then it would match with what I think would make Earth better... because its sick... like MJ says! btw... like it when he beat box in This Is It! AWESOME!
HEy! I saw finding nemo fish in tank today at a business. I said, "I think they should make a finding nemo II. " They said... "YEAH!!!!They should!"
I don't eat as much meat as I used to..so that's good! RIGHT! ok.. denial I know. but its a start. :)
Thank you for having Jonathan Safran on the show. I have seen footage of truly horrific things done on factory farms and in the slaughterhouses that were so awful I became a vegan.
I have seen some slaughterhouse workers become so desensitized to the killing that goes on around them that they brutalize the animals struggling for life without a hint of concern, in fact, with some relish. We cannot consider the cruelty of these places without also considering what they do to the consciousness of the individuals who work in them day after day.
I absolutely adore your show. But a little hint next time you get an author or someone make sure their facts are real. I'm from a nearly 4000 acre farm with close to 200 head of cattle in Alberta and this appaled me. Cattle are not raised this was, beef cows are raised outside not inside barns. And a little timbit for you, if you want to listen to someone complain about the cattle industry make it factual and maybe think about what the Americans did to us Canadians mostly the Albertans. Your misinformed fears ruined peoples lives for good. They sold their farms because of that mis-information and you cant buy cattle that you've have raised since birth back. so next time make sure the information is right because you have no idea what something like that can do to an industry. Misinformation ruins everythhing from cattle to pork. And one more timbit, H1N1 does not come from pigs, it contains a piece of mutated DNA from a sickness they suffer from but it also contains our own mutated DNA. Gr.12 Biology people, if a 17 year old can realize that that why can't the rest of the world see it that your destroying peoples lives for no reason. Get the information right because you have no idea who's life is being ruined because of those words. That man disgusts me and his book should be boycotted. Visit a real farm not the on located in your bloody excuse for a brain and then people will see what they are really like. Hardworking people trying to stay with the tradition that their family has been apart of for generations.
ellen, the show tonight actually brought me to tears. Not just because i too love animals (friends tease me quite relentlessly about this)but because i grew up a farm girl.
My Dad and brother still farm. Dad is 79 and still works the family farm, feeding and caring for the cattle daily. He would love to leave it to my brother but cannot afford to live without the small income it provides. We know the only way he will be able to leave it :( but he's not going yet! He is the skinny old guy with the pitchfork. He uses that pitchfork more than you know to shake the fresh straw for beds to keep his cattle warm and dry in our cold Calgary winters.
His life is hard, but not his heart. I think he has to work harder now to make a living than he did in the 60's and 70's when he was raising 5 kids.
3 cheers for the family farm!!!
Sorry for the extra (extra) post but I would like to just mention something I thought of as I was at the gym.
Farmers - contract, corporate or otherwise are sometimes the targets of threats by "animal rights" groups. Apparently these animal rights activists are fairly hypocritical as I know farms that have been set alight by these people. Animals die in the inferno - very humane (riiight). Not to mention that they run the risk of killing someone who might have been in the barn.
Also I can see some companies being wary of letting an author into their facility - as they have had their words and practices twisted in the media before.
So other than bio-security - which is a real, very important concern for farmers - these could be other reasons that he wasn't permitted onto the farm sites.
Kate
Respectfully, I understand and know that there are some bad apples in the group. I'm not defending that and thanks for telling me how I feel (*sarcasm*) but actually yes, I do care about animal suffering. I am a big supporter of animal WELFARE (note that is different from animal rights). Most farmers I know are compassionate, caring stewards of the animals they raise - this includes those "big scary" company farms. Yeah, there are really bad, unethical people in every industry - but like farming, they don't represent the whole lot! I am just saying that the name "Factory Farm" is an inflammatory and over-used generalization which does not represent modern farming. Similar to the person below who said something along the line of - should we believe everyone in Hollywood is a drug-addled nymphomaniac? My point is please call a farm by what it actually is - corporate, contract, independent. Buzz words do nothing but confuse facts. Oh, but they do grab headlines. Sensationalism certainly sells.
I will probably watch Ellen tomorrow to see if she responds to the massive amount of negative comments she has received here. Hopefully she does or I know she will lose a lot of viewers. I do like Ellen - when she is doing what she does best - being funny. But please do not push your politics down my throat. And please if you are going to push an agenda - at least make an attempt to let the other side tell their story.
BA - truly sad story about the young man. My heart goes out to his family.
I'm just going to quote a bumber sticker I saw:
"I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain just to eat vegetables."
To the person who said "there is no such thing as factory farms" HA!
Not ALL people are doing an "honest days work", there is video PROOF of pigs being dropped ALIVE into scalding water SQUEALING AND THRASHING before they are burned and drowned. This is America people, we can think of better ways for animals to die. But sure, lets just keep letting them suffer because they're just animals..who cares if they are in constant pain? Obviously you don't...whoever you are.
Yes there are humane, nice people who run farms with animals. But again, not ALL of them are nice. There are pictures, videos, and real life visits to back this up.
Ellen: I was appalled by the segment with Jonathan Safran Foer. I am from the Ontario "Swine Belt" and just tonight heard of another young man that was a pig farmer hanging himself in his shed... pretty blunt, but there it is Ellen. That is what the media is doing to the industry. I guess I am writing this for him as he doesn't have a voice any longer. I understand that you are a vegan?? but is it nessesary to have uninformed nobodies on your show that say uncomfirmed untruths about where the HIN1 orginated etc. Has Mr. Foer ever been on a farm. I am so disappointed in the show and I could write a book on everything I disagree with that Mr. Foer has said on todays show. Is he a Doctor??? I don't see a Dr. in front of his name. Please Ellen, you need to show the other side of this story that there is no proof that the H1N1 orginated in swine. This man is out to make a buck and you are helping him put another nail in the coffin!!
Ellen, I love your show. Mostly. There are tons of shows on to tell us-
What our morals should be
What we are doing wrong- I am a bad, mom, woman, American, neighbor, shopper, etc.
There are loads of shows telling us all we are doing wrong. I need a show to make me laugh. Make me laugh Ellen. There arent enough shows doing that. And I DO NOT need one more green person telling me how I am destroying the world!!! The green people brought us these wonderful toxic light bulbs. Please, just make me laugh!!!! Or I wont be watching. No more moral lessons!!!!!
I came on here to let you know how disappointed and offended I was with this part of your show. Being a small beef rancher here in Northern California, I was shaking my head as he made statements that were not telling ALL the facts, such as I look out the window and see the beef cows roaming our green hills or that the Organic dairy down the road have the same view of their cows.......
But I see that there are many who beat me to the computer.........

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Jonathan Foer visited my school today, and shared a conversation with a group of students for about.. roughly an hour or an hour and a half.
He is an amazing writer, witty, funny, and such an intellectual man. He did not write this book to make us "convert" into Vegetarianism yet to start a dialogue.
He never said "all farms are factory farms." He was referring to where most of our meat comes from, and yes most of our meat does come from factory farms. Do your research. Just because you live in a farm, grew up in a farm, or have farms- does not mean that McDonalds, BurgerKing, Popeyes and other fast food industries get their meat from you. Do they? No, didnt think so.
He was simply referring to where our meat [most of the meat] comes from.
Get a hold of yourselves! I'm only 18 and understand that Foer is not trying to brainwash anyone, nor is he giving out false information.
Read "Eating Animals" and go on a 3 year quest to find all these answers, then argue it.
Sheesh.
Posted by Darlene Bueno | November 18, 2009 5:20 PM