Has anyone noticed the paralleling treatment of The Marina defenders compared with how Marina herself has been treated? The Marina naysayers have defended Ellen’s actions as honorable and provoked. They omit her public outcry and instead blame Marina for making her do it. Just as they omit their own mistreatment of Marina Bloggers and claim again that their actions were provoked while the people here who have agued on Marina’s behalf have been coined “Creators of this Problem.”

Does anyone else find this compelling?

I just finished e mailing 2 rescues to poll them to see what their position is on the contract issue and the rights of the adopter to make decisions for their own dog. Cant wait to see what they have to say. Im going to ask a few other too. Ill let everybody know as soon as I hear something.

Bob G, Perhaps you remeber when I used to post as well. I stated my opinions and like you, was often attacked and challenged for those views. I dont really post anymore as the conversations often repeat themselves and the insults never stop. I am no longer attacked for my views but I dont feel that what I have to say matters anyway. I decided to go to the site that is about animal rights and post there. Since it is new there arent many people yet, but I think it could turn out to be a good thing. Im sure they will be debates but it isnt about Ellen and Iggy anymore. There are issues like animlal abuse and a place for wonderful OR sad adoption stories. I am going to give it a chance regadless of who may be the moderator. If the rules are applied fairly, there should be non of this nonsense there. I have agreed with a lot of what you have said and I hope you will consider coming and saying your peace there. I would like to discuss the issues with you as I think you care a lot about animals and probably have some great suggestions to offer about rescue. If you arent confortable yet, I would be willing to return here temporarily to discuss rescue issues with you.

Bob G,
Once again you claim the high road falsely.
I made a pointed statement on this board yesterday and listed many points, none of which you have responded to.

Mr/Ms Jones defended my position, and even attempted to explain my allegory to the simple minded so-called "troll" known currently as Aces, and continued to call you out with no response. As of this moment, you whine and claim the victim, and again I remind the readers here that,it is you, Bob G, who repeatedly takes cheap shots and attempts to discredit those who disagree with you by claiming they do not know what they are talking about, rather than responding to the actual arguments.
You are still spouting lies, Bob G, since you make false claims here and ignore such facts such as it is you who continues to sustain and escalate hostilities. This much maligned jones et al has only responded to your hostile attacks, and never initiated them as far as I have seen, but has been blindsided by you and others repeatedly.
Sounds like you wish to rule the roost and dish it out but retreat and whimper and claim the victim when the tables are turned,
You likened two of your opponents to violent felons, Bob G, on this blog. This is something I have not seen done to you, yet you claim to be the injured party.
You now claim that Mr/Ms jones should respond to your arguments, when it is appears that this individual is no longer posting. It is also apparent that he/she has already rebutted your position, and your silence has been deafening. You also refuse to repeat your arguments just as you refuse when jones and others repeat theirs and you are nowhere in sight. Again, you have failed to respond to my post yesterday, and I will not repeat it so you can ignore it again.

Yes, Bob G, you never addressed a single point I raised, since you only discuss the well chosen points that support your prejudiced and mean spirited vindictave position in this matter. You disgust me by talking out of both sides of your face.

There are many that I know that share my position who refuse to comment in this format thanks to polluters like you.
Most of the associates I refer to argue for a living, as I have done, and will not willingly engage at the level that you and other foul mouthed fools maintain on this forum which ironically is provided by the Ellen TV show.
The name changing "troll" currently known as "Aces" is obviously an unbalanced and impaired individual and gets a pass.
But you, Bob G appear to intentionally throw out red herring issues while deftly avoiding the actual issues you apparently have no answer for.
Your actions are despicable, when you continue to assault those embracing all sides and seeking debate and resolution in this matter which, after all, is all about the welfare of a young puppy. I see that my post regarding ethical arguments was re-posted anonymously yesterday. Perhaps you might benefit from this brief tutorial, Bob G, if you have any interest at all in fair and productive debate. Thus far, it appears you have no interest whatsoever in such fair and honorable interaction, but rather that you come here to disseminate bitterness and half-truths.
Enjoy your one sided responses, I will be back at work and shall not be here to suffer the slings and arrows of your vitriolic onslaught.

My challange to you yesterday remains unanswered, Bob G.
If you were not a cowardly prevaricator, you most certainly would have offered a rebuttal by now, as any sincere gentleman would have done.

Ok Aces and Bob,

Care to take this discussion somewhere where your name cant be changed so easily? Where the conduct that you both have shown recently is not allowed. And has many more topics other than just Iggy and Ellen.

If so I request your presence at the said forum, that jones provided to this blog and its patrons.

If you choose not to , that is your right and your choice. But to me it just means that you do not wish to debate this fairly and on an equal playing field.

And that is fine with me. My moniker on there is the moniker I use here, with the exceptions of spaces.

Hope to see you there

Peace out

Nom de Plume:

I would love for you to prove to me that I have been here attacking Ellen Supporters. That is such hogwash and its insulting. Ellen supporters are not my attention, Marina bashers have been. I actually like Ellen, and I would bet the farm on the fact that she is not grateful to those who use her name in their efforts towards insulting, attacking, and degrading other people regardless if they can see Marina's position.

I have zero ill feelings towards you except that I am bothered that you have accused me of things that are not true.

My intentions have been that I did not think it was appropriate to brand Marina a criminal with PURE SPECULATION. When I have stated this to Jones he has insulted very personally without any real substance. The source of these said facts are relevant to these claims. And if all these accusations that have been tossed around this forum are based on Internet sites; I find that to be distasteful to say the least. I have never claimed to know more than I know. I have simply conserved my branding to the ACTUAL FACTS that we do know.

Nom de Plume:

I don't know who you think I am, but I have NEVER COMMENTED ON ELLEN and whether or not she should be adopting animals. The only comment I have ever made about her is my disproval for taking this public. An action I am sure she herself now regrets. Perhaps a little condescention has been warranted your way as you have now twice directly made inaccurate claims about me.

Simply because Jones has commented about Marina and compassion, he has equally times insulted her with slants like tilted and dog napper and countless others that I could retrieve if you wanted. Look no further than his Nazi remarks. If you are a genuine person—and when I stated the peace comment I was being serious as it came with a warning to stop speaking my opinions here—than how do you fail to see the malarkey that has been going on here?

You seem quite sure of my guilt and already you have misrepresented me twice. Jones has not been descent towards Marina or anyone who has cared to defend her. The few comments he has made about peace and forgiveness do not dismiss the countless other degrading and quite inappropriate claims and insults he has made.

Nom de plume:

If you are going to try and site me than try being accurate. I have never posted as Longfellow and I have changed my name as many others have. If you are truly a new person and not just another Jones reincarnate, than look closely at where you accuse me of name-calling and throwing stones.

Tell me whom I have attacked? Tell me where I opened fire on a person who had not called me an insidious name?

For the most part I have only had bad interactions with this Jones, as countless others I have witnessed. This is a forum to discuss the Iggy situation not to discuss Ellen and her positition only. That is false. Would you have this be a place where one person is needlessly attacked by several like-minded people without ever having a conflicting opinion be expressed? Is this a forum only for those who see things in Ellen's light? Show me where that is stated. Would you rather this space be an open ambush on Marina?

This is an OPEN SPACE and I only began posting here after witnessing the unwarranted attacks on Marina and her character. I was insulted very quickly in my initial posts. If you feel like investigating than be my guest, but I assure you by the time post it showed up, the insults had long been thrown.

Your words on peace seem like a punch line more than an actual sentiment. Does peace mean to you so long as everyone agrees with you? Do you know what and where I have researched before you make your accusations? Does that matter to you or are you permitted to say what ever you wish without proper knowledge?

That post was not a whine but a statement of fact. If you want to show Ellen respect than try being honest. Ellen has dropped this issue, yet her so-claimed-fans here have picked up the ball and have tried any possible way to continue the abuse on Marina. I have not thrown one ill word in Ellen’s direction. Clarifying her mistakes is not the same as insulting her. A distinction I have not seen by many people here including you.

What I don't understand is why her "so-claimed-fans" do not follow her lead and demonstrate Ellen’s same resolve.

For the Record:

This person called Jones has been insulting towards several people here. He points fingers at everyone here, but himself.

Your shenanigan’s have been very deliberate and beyond response. Jones you insult people personally when they express their own opinions. You call people names because they choose to not grant you unbridle acceptance for what you declare as FACT that has been seized from the Internet—which people should not.

Jones I left this blog for a week. When I returned you were still insulting me and I hadn't even posted in over four days. Even among your most rude behavior, like referring to me as a pathetic creature, I still refrained from calling you names. You, my sorely friend, should be taking your own advice very seriously and possibly seek council. Maybe your diet is insufficient. I am willing to accept that by now, as I have never met a more duplicitous character.

there once was a rescue for mutts
some moms with their heads up their butts
they acted like nazis
and loved paparazzis
but ended up hiding in huts

Aces, the phrase is:
"Don't let the screen door hit ya where the good Lord split ya."
Maybe when you are culling material from my previous posts you should write these things down.

But son't worry about being alone, little bear, I know you will miss me but I will wioll be with you every night in your dreams. Or rather, I will be with you in your nightmares when you close your eyes, you sorry, pathetic twit. Me and Freddy Krueger, and all the objects of your hatred come home to roost.
I know you just have to have the last word, that you live for this, but remember there is love and forgiveness for all those who seek it, my sorry friend.

We are not responsible for our disease, but we ARE responsible for our recovery.

Magic is calling something by its true name.